You know, we have had gay and lesbians in the theater, movies, music, art since Jesus wore short pants! This is nothing new. It's show-biz, for cripes sakes!. I don't know what went wrong here, but it really doesn't matter. Kris is a nice person, but talented? I don't mean just the oatmeal-colored stuff you might hear at your favorite hangout - I mean the real down-in-the-dirt, pay your dues, learn your craft, commitment to excellence talented. Put it in those terms and no, he's not. No where near. He has no vocal technique, he opens his mouth and hopes for the best, he has no stage presence, he doesn't have that burning, excited-to-be-here thing that makes you work your ass off day after day, excuse me, to get one musical phrase just right. Adam consistently, week after week, month after month, gave full-blown, exciting, interesting, artistic and creative performances. Topping himself over and over again. And he did it with a solid vocal technique that NEVER failed him and a stage presence and delivery that just hooked you in. Now, Kris may have gotten the most votes(?), but real talent is real talent and Adam Lambert is already an international sensation. He is. And he has the training and heart to stay a sensation for many years. I feel sorry for Kris, and it's not fair to him because no matter where he goes, Kris is the one who is going to carry the stigma of what happened at AI. Adam has already moved on. Bless his heart.
Personally, I think the whole thing with AT&T, Fox, AI producers, etc. all had some input of funny business going on about who was to win. But that really doesn't matter - they got their dramatic ending, and the expense of . . . who knows - but I will never watch it again.
Ken B Says: May 22nd, 2009 3:31 PM
kim, kim, kim... why do you so hate gay people???
Kim Says: May 21st, 2009 11:58 PM
Okay people get real Adam did not loose because he might be gay, he lost because he was born just a couple of generations too late Adam has an 80's hair band voice we all know that. I'd love for him to bring back hair bands and he could do it with his talent, but I do think Kris is the better singer, he knows who he is, always has, he has his own style and never changed it!!!! And sorry adam but kris is far more better looking!!!!
Gaz Says: May 21st, 2009 5:48 PM
@ Amanda
Wow, I'm starting to think that maybe you are Mr. Hicks. You say he is a "sought after celebrity" and all I can do is laugh in your face. I'm sorry but, though he may be a good guy and enjoyable to go and see, but I'm not buying your story. Are you a family member or something? Oh, I get it...you are like one of the Claymates but a Hickmate?
Out of all the talent that was on "his" season of AI you are going to try and tell me that he deserved to win? Right! And so did Rubben Studdard. Maybe they should make a duet and make beautiful (Anna Nicole Smith reference) music together. Pathetic! Just cause his hair color matches your pubes, doesn't mean squat! Taylor's market audience is senile old women and maybe the odd sheltered inbred. Would Mr. Hicks of won this year? Or last year? DOUBT IT! Again, I enjoyed him on the show for his entertainment value but him winning the show was a laugh, just like you arguing as you are.
I haven't been following and yet assumed a fix too. I was like "um, how is it some guys whose name I dunno won?" Was assuming it would be Adam.
wes Says: May 21st, 2009 4:27 PM
Kris was the better "all around" vocal performer by far... Adam leaned far too much on his screaming. He has NO chance of making it "main stream". The only reason you noticed Adam more than Kris is because Adam is "different". Unfortunately, different doesn't sell record contracts... Skill does. Kris has all around great skill and vocal performance!
As for Adam's sexuality, I think it is extremely naive to think that is the reason for him losing the competition. He doesn't appeal to everyone. It has nothing to do with his sexual orientation.
Ken B Says: May 21st, 2009 3:59 PM
nice of you to miss the point entirely jay, then again perhaps the expectations were a tad higher than they should have been, considering... all i am saying is that due to adams, uh, sexual choices, he became untouchable. if someone simply didnt like his style, voice, look whatev they ran the risk of being heralded an 'anti-gay'. the same voices saying its everyones right to like who they like, except when you DONT like the gay guy, if you dont like him your a homophobe, or a hater blah blah blah. the producers of A.I. took a chance when they pre determined that adam should win this year, as they always do on the eventual winners as it is a business not a contest, this year it didnt pan out the way they intended BUT, because the loser happens to be gay the whole argument is 'colored' with anti gay under and over tones. leave the sex in the room, it has nuthin to do with any of this...
Amanda Says: May 21st, 2009 3:55 PM
Re: #4 GAZ -
I was responding to the author of this article, regarding HIS comments which I know to be incorrect. Fight for Taylor? Oh that was some clever wording my friend. I don't have to do that, I merely answered the comment that Taylor does not play instruments LIKE Kris, who won Amercan Idol over Adam. That's what I did.
As for having to "fight for Taylor"....No, he's proved that he is one of the most talented singers, musical artists, performers that I've ever had the pleasure to hear in person and I have, quite a few times in fact. Obvi9ously you have not, that's a shame, for had you heard Taylor in person, I sincerely believe your opinion would change. It really doesn't matter to me if you do or don't. However, when one bases their opinion on what they have no knowledge of, then I find it redundant and quite ignorant.
You seem to be lacking in knowledge of Taylor Hicks career at this point. I won't go into the contract he had with AI's bevy of labels and their uh, management, but needless to say, they were ill suited. Taylor owns his OWN label and he has ventured out into every aspect of the entertainment business. He is a sought after celebrity whose success is not based on selling millions of CD's, but through his unique ability to enrapture his audience while he performs, he is stunningly gifted. No metter you're vague opinion.
Taylor has been quoted as saying...This is not a sprint, its a marathon. He was traveling with his band ten years before AI and two years (solo tour) after AI. He's a young man, he's enjoying all aspects of a career in which he delves into new venues and opportunities, as often as he can. He is creatively gifted and it shows in everything he's done.
So... if you want a "singer" whose career only consists of selling CD's and of whom you rarely see in public, then fine, that's up to you, but for thousands of Taylor's loyal fans, that's unheard of and very boring, we enjoy Taylor's advertures as much as he does. Its been fun and yes, very exciting.
lola Says: May 21st, 2009 3:19 PM
You’re smoking crack, Ken. Adam will outsell and outshine Kris on the music charts where it counts. The.End.
I would ban Ken B but I feel like he has a right to make an ass outta his own damn self.
jay Says: May 21st, 2009 2:36 PM
Oh, no you didn't, Mr. B!
Hellz, nah!
Nice to see ya flyin' your own personal freak flag, being sure to cover both racial and sexual orientation in one seriously, uh, "interesting" post.
I agree that not liking Adam based on his singing ability or talent is allowed, natch, but you personally have kinda let the color (pun intended) of your viewpoint be known outside of what you are trying to preach about. Pink and the darker tones just aren't for ya. Gotcha. Unfortunately for you, they are here to stay. Damned hard working that color wheel, eh?
Sorry, Fire, guess that's my cue to give a rest for a while....peace!
Ken B Says: May 21st, 2009 2:17 PM
jesus here we go with the cries of homophobia, he didnt win cause America is still anti-gay... STFU! he lost cause A.I. severely underestimated how far they could shove him down our throats before being regurgitated back up once we all realized who is really behind him. he is mediocre at best but because hes gay hes untouchable... gay americans are the new Black Americans, if adam isnt the best and you simply say you dont think he is the best EVER you will be forever labeled 'anti-gay', get over it folks, America isnt anti-gay as much as ANTI-UNTALENTED LOSER!
Craigmackk Says: May 21st, 2009 1:31 PM
@ Firecracker - Not to disagree with you at all, but the scenario (you eluded to) in your comment is certainly feasible, but Adam was leading in a lot of unscientific Idol polls by sizable percentage points leading up to the Idol finale. So wouldn't that scenario be more applicable to if the results were rigged?
lola Says: May 21st, 2009 12:58 PM
I am absolutely, 100% convinced he didn’t win because people couldn’t handle him being gay.Bigots! I am so pissed off about this. Adam was robbed!
Considering that all four Idol judges and millions of viewers were heaping praise on Adam's extraordinary talents throughout the last several weeks (more so than Kris), I am still extremely stunned that Kris won American Idol last night. Adam THOROUGHLY dominated Kris in head-to-head competition in that span of time.
This is 2009 and a large part of the U.S. is still anti-gay in its beliefs, so homophobia may have very well played a role in Adam losing last night. His loss was probably a referendum on how the country feels about someone with his sexuality becoming more powerful and coming into prominence, which is something that older, conservative, etc. viewers haven't come to grips with yet.
Yes, a reason Adam could have also lost Idol was because some people became tired of his screaming and theatrics in the last few weeks. A friend of mine felt that way in her opposition to Adam as well.
More than anything, however, could it be that Adam's defeat could have been largely the result of his fans assuming that he was safe so they did not bother voting at all. After all, it has been inactive voting that has caused front-running contestants of Idol's past to not advance in the competiton.
So yeah, congrats to Kris winning American Idol last night. He is a multi-talented person who can play multiple instruments, but I've gotta agree with Firecracker that he's generic in his abilities (singing, personality, etc) and won't stand out in a mass of people if it weren't for Idol. As a poster noted above, he was probably the most marketable, and I feel safest choice in a head-to-head comparison to Adam.
But still, speculation (in which I stated here on POTP) still runs rampant in my head about Adam's loss in Idol last night. He will inevitably advance to larger opportunites now. As I said, I feel it was a combination of anti-gay beliefs and Adam's fans who assumed he would win the competition that resulted in his loss last night.
Still difficult for me to imagine Kris as the Idol winner the following day..
Gaz Says: May 21st, 2009 11:39 AM
Wow Amanda,
You might be the first person I have heard fight for Hicks with so much energy. Hicks was a very likeable guy on the show, but has has nowhere near the talent one would assume you need to win AI. Big deal, he can play the guitar and harmonica. I'm guessing 50 million others in the US can play it just as well as him. Can he sing? Not really! Can he entertain? Ya, somewhat, but I'm sure it gets old pretty quick. I like Hicks as a person on AI but knew he would never be big...IN TERMS OF RECORD SALES, because in the end, thats what the label wants, RECORD SALES. You don't sell records, go play your harmonica and guitar on the street to earn your $$.
The better talent on AI this season was Adam...the most marketable is 100% Kris Allen! That is why he won. I said it before and I was right. Lambert is only going to be marketable with a select group, where as Allen can be marketed for all ages, shapes and colors. This was almost a no brainer. I can't understand why so many people or shocked over this.
Amanda Says: May 21st, 2009 9:52 AM
First off, when Taylor Hicks won American Idol, it was no upset. He was NEVER in the bottom three, he was the most popular of ALL the contestants, he won by a landslide. The comment that KRIS and TAYLOR are alike? LMAO, how? Because both of them WON Idol? Come on, "Kris plays instruments and Taylor doesn't?", excuse me? LMAO. Taylor plays the guitar and the harmonica.
The only reason I'm here would be because of Taylor's name on a google alert for this website. Why people are freaked I have no idea, you have to VOTE people, that's what you do, you VOTE for a winner and for your choice. IF AI's history is still the same, which I believe it to be, Adam has signed a contract, he will get a recording deal, he will be get as many spins as Daughtry has on ALL the radio stations around the country, (that would be about 100 or more a day), he will have a album, he will have a tour and video, he will be pimped to high heaven, that is, as long as he stays in favor with TPTB at AI and I have no doubt that he will do that.
Kris? HE won, so therefore he gets his million dollar recording contract. AI is obligated for that. As long as he is with AI's label. and their management company, he will please his fans. IF he leaves the AI label, he will fade into oblivion because he is very average at best even though he's an attractive guy who is also a musician. That said, leave Taylor Hicks out of this conversation, its obvious you know NOTHING about him at all. Thanks and take two asprins or whatever and get on with what's important in life. This is very childish.
Cindy Says: May 21st, 2009 9:00 AM
I was rooting for Kris and am glad HE WON! He deserved it. As far as the slam against Taylor Hicks. Do your research before posting untrue statements. Taylor Hicks plays guitar and harmonica very well and is very talented and successful. Success is not decided buy record sales alone.
JOHN! Says: May 21st, 2009 3:43 AM
Okay I know you are beyond distraught but why would American Idol fix the results after skewing the show towards Adam this whole entire season? Yes, the show is rigged, I feel like the producers wanted Adam to win, but even so Kris won. In my eyes that says something.
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May 27th, 2009 5:52 PM
You know, we have had gay and lesbians in the theater, movies, music, art since Jesus wore short pants! This is nothing new. It's show-biz, for cripes sakes!. I don't know what went wrong here, but it really doesn't matter. Kris is a nice person, but talented? I don't mean just the oatmeal-colored stuff you might hear at your favorite hangout - I mean the real down-in-the-dirt, pay your dues, learn your craft, commitment to excellence talented. Put it in those terms and no, he's not. No where near. He has no vocal technique, he opens his mouth and hopes for the best, he has no stage presence, he doesn't have that burning, excited-to-be-here thing that makes you work your ass off day after day, excuse me, to get one musical phrase just right. Adam consistently, week after week, month after month, gave full-blown, exciting, interesting, artistic and creative performances. Topping himself over and over again. And he did it with a solid vocal technique that NEVER failed him and a stage presence and delivery that just hooked you in. Now, Kris may have gotten the most votes(?), but real talent is real talent and Adam Lambert is already an international sensation. He is. And he has the training and heart to stay a sensation for many years. I feel sorry for Kris, and it's not fair to him because no matter where he goes, Kris is the one who is going to carry the stigma of what happened at AI. Adam has already moved on. Bless his heart.
Personally, I think the whole thing with AT&T, Fox, AI producers, etc. all had some input of funny business going on about who was to win. But that really doesn't matter - they got their dramatic ending, and the expense of . . . who knows - but I will never watch it again.
May 22nd, 2009 3:31 PM
kim, kim, kim... why do you so hate gay people???
May 21st, 2009 11:58 PM
Okay people get real Adam did not loose because he might be gay, he lost because he was born just a couple of generations too late Adam has an 80's hair band voice we all know that. I'd love for him to bring back hair bands and he could do it with his talent, but I do think Kris is the better singer, he knows who he is, always has, he has his own style and never changed it!!!! And sorry adam but kris is far more better looking!!!!
May 21st, 2009 5:48 PM
@ Amanda
Wow, I'm starting to think that maybe you are Mr. Hicks. You say he is a "sought after celebrity" and all I can do is laugh in your face. I'm sorry but, though he may be a good guy and enjoyable to go and see, but I'm not buying your story. Are you a family member or something? Oh, I get it...you are like one of the Claymates but a Hickmate?
Out of all the talent that was on "his" season of AI you are going to try and tell me that he deserved to win? Right! And so did Rubben Studdard. Maybe they should make a duet and make beautiful (Anna Nicole Smith reference) music together. Pathetic! Just cause his hair color matches your pubes, doesn't mean squat! Taylor's market audience is senile old women and maybe the odd sheltered inbred. Would Mr. Hicks of won this year? Or last year? DOUBT IT! Again, I enjoyed him on the show for his entertainment value but him winning the show was a laugh, just like you arguing as you are.
May 21st, 2009 5:16 PM
I haven't been following and yet assumed a fix too. I was like "um, how is it some guys whose name I dunno won?" Was assuming it would be Adam.
May 21st, 2009 4:27 PM
Kris was the better "all around" vocal performer by far... Adam leaned far too much on his screaming. He has NO chance of making it "main stream". The only reason you noticed Adam more than Kris is because Adam is "different". Unfortunately, different doesn't sell record contracts... Skill does. Kris has all around great skill and vocal performance!
As for Adam's sexuality, I think it is extremely naive to think that is the reason for him losing the competition. He doesn't appeal to everyone. It has nothing to do with his sexual orientation.
May 21st, 2009 3:59 PM
nice of you to miss the point entirely jay, then again perhaps the expectations were a tad higher than they should have been, considering... all i am saying is that due to adams, uh, sexual choices, he became untouchable. if someone simply didnt like his style, voice, look whatev they ran the risk of being heralded an 'anti-gay'. the same voices saying its everyones right to like who they like, except when you DONT like the gay guy, if you dont like him your a homophobe, or a hater blah blah blah. the producers of A.I. took a chance when they pre determined that adam should win this year, as they always do on the eventual winners as it is a business not a contest, this year it didnt pan out the way they intended BUT, because the loser happens to be gay the whole argument is 'colored' with anti gay under and over tones. leave the sex in the room, it has nuthin to do with any of this...
May 21st, 2009 3:55 PM
Re: #4 GAZ -
I was responding to the author of this article, regarding HIS comments which I know to be incorrect. Fight for Taylor? Oh that was some clever wording my friend. I don't have to do that, I merely answered the comment that Taylor does not play instruments LIKE Kris, who won Amercan Idol over Adam. That's what I did.
As for having to "fight for Taylor"....No, he's proved that he is one of the most talented singers, musical artists, performers that I've ever had the pleasure to hear in person and I have, quite a few times in fact. Obvi9ously you have not, that's a shame, for had you heard Taylor in person, I sincerely believe your opinion would change. It really doesn't matter to me if you do or don't. However, when one bases their opinion on what they have no knowledge of, then I find it redundant and quite ignorant.
You seem to be lacking in knowledge of Taylor Hicks career at this point. I won't go into the contract he had with AI's bevy of labels and their uh, management, but needless to say, they were ill suited. Taylor owns his OWN label and he has ventured out into every aspect of the entertainment business. He is a sought after celebrity whose success is not based on selling millions of CD's, but through his unique ability to enrapture his audience while he performs, he is stunningly gifted. No metter you're vague opinion.
Taylor has been quoted as saying...This is not a sprint, its a marathon. He was traveling with his band ten years before AI and two years (solo tour) after AI. He's a young man, he's enjoying all aspects of a career in which he delves into new venues and opportunities, as often as he can. He is creatively gifted and it shows in everything he's done.
So... if you want a "singer" whose career only consists of selling CD's and of whom you rarely see in public, then fine, that's up to you, but for thousands of Taylor's loyal fans, that's unheard of and very boring, we enjoy Taylor's advertures as much as he does. Its been fun and yes, very exciting.
May 21st, 2009 3:19 PM
You’re smoking crack, Ken. Adam will outsell and outshine Kris on the music charts where it counts. The.End.
May 21st, 2009 3:10 PM
@ Jay,
"Sorry, Fire." - No need to apologize.
I would ban Ken B but I feel like he has a right to make an ass outta his own damn self.
May 21st, 2009 2:36 PM
Oh, no you didn't, Mr. B!
Hellz, nah!
Nice to see ya flyin' your own personal freak flag, being sure to cover both racial and sexual orientation in one seriously, uh, "interesting" post.
I agree that not liking Adam based on his singing ability or talent is allowed, natch, but you personally have kinda let the color (pun intended) of your viewpoint be known outside of what you are trying to preach about. Pink and the darker tones just aren't for ya. Gotcha. Unfortunately for you, they are here to stay. Damned hard working that color wheel, eh?
Sorry, Fire, guess that's my cue to give a rest for a while....peace!
May 21st, 2009 2:17 PM
jesus here we go with the cries of homophobia, he didnt win cause America is still anti-gay... STFU! he lost cause A.I. severely underestimated how far they could shove him down our throats before being regurgitated back up once we all realized who is really behind him. he is mediocre at best but because hes gay hes untouchable... gay americans are the new Black Americans, if adam isnt the best and you simply say you dont think he is the best EVER you will be forever labeled 'anti-gay', get over it folks, America isnt anti-gay as much as ANTI-UNTALENTED LOSER!
May 21st, 2009 1:31 PM
@ Firecracker - Not to disagree with you at all, but the scenario (you eluded to) in your comment is certainly feasible, but Adam was leading in a lot of unscientific Idol polls by sizable percentage points leading up to the Idol finale. So wouldn't that scenario be more applicable to if the results were rigged?
May 21st, 2009 12:58 PM
I am absolutely, 100% convinced he didn’t win because people couldn’t handle him being gay.Bigots! I am so pissed off about this. Adam was robbed!
May 21st, 2009 12:53 PM
@ Gaz,
You got it right! :)
May 21st, 2009 12:29 PM
Considering that all four Idol judges and millions of viewers were heaping praise on Adam's extraordinary talents throughout the last several weeks (more so than Kris), I am still extremely stunned that Kris won American Idol last night. Adam THOROUGHLY dominated Kris in head-to-head competition in that span of time.
This is 2009 and a large part of the U.S. is still anti-gay in its beliefs, so homophobia may have very well played a role in Adam losing last night. His loss was probably a referendum on how the country feels about someone with his sexuality becoming more powerful and coming into prominence, which is something that older, conservative, etc. viewers haven't come to grips with yet.
Yes, a reason Adam could have also lost Idol was because some people became tired of his screaming and theatrics in the last few weeks. A friend of mine felt that way in her opposition to Adam as well.
More than anything, however, could it be that Adam's defeat could have been largely the result of his fans assuming that he was safe so they did not bother voting at all. After all, it has been inactive voting that has caused front-running contestants of Idol's past to not advance in the competiton.
So yeah, congrats to Kris winning American Idol last night. He is a multi-talented person who can play multiple instruments, but I've gotta agree with Firecracker that he's generic in his abilities (singing, personality, etc) and won't stand out in a mass of people if it weren't for Idol. As a poster noted above, he was probably the most marketable, and I feel safest choice in a head-to-head comparison to Adam.
But still, speculation (in which I stated here on POTP) still runs rampant in my head about Adam's loss in Idol last night. He will inevitably advance to larger opportunites now. As I said, I feel it was a combination of anti-gay beliefs and Adam's fans who assumed he would win the competition that resulted in his loss last night.
Still difficult for me to imagine Kris as the Idol winner the following day..
May 21st, 2009 11:39 AM
Wow Amanda,
You might be the first person I have heard fight for Hicks with so much energy. Hicks was a very likeable guy on the show, but has has nowhere near the talent one would assume you need to win AI. Big deal, he can play the guitar and harmonica. I'm guessing 50 million others in the US can play it just as well as him. Can he sing? Not really! Can he entertain? Ya, somewhat, but I'm sure it gets old pretty quick. I like Hicks as a person on AI but knew he would never be big...IN TERMS OF RECORD SALES, because in the end, thats what the label wants, RECORD SALES. You don't sell records, go play your harmonica and guitar on the street to earn your $$.
The better talent on AI this season was Adam...the most marketable is 100% Kris Allen! That is why he won. I said it before and I was right. Lambert is only going to be marketable with a select group, where as Allen can be marketed for all ages, shapes and colors. This was almost a no brainer. I can't understand why so many people or shocked over this.
May 21st, 2009 9:52 AM
First off, when Taylor Hicks won American Idol, it was no upset. He was NEVER in the bottom three, he was the most popular of ALL the contestants, he won by a landslide. The comment that KRIS and TAYLOR are alike? LMAO, how? Because both of them WON Idol? Come on, "Kris plays instruments and Taylor doesn't?", excuse me? LMAO. Taylor plays the guitar and the harmonica.
The only reason I'm here would be because of Taylor's name on a google alert for this website. Why people are freaked I have no idea, you have to VOTE people, that's what you do, you VOTE for a winner and for your choice. IF AI's history is still the same, which I believe it to be, Adam has signed a contract, he will get a recording deal, he will be get as many spins as Daughtry has on ALL the radio stations around the country, (that would be about 100 or more a day), he will have a album, he will have a tour and video, he will be pimped to high heaven, that is, as long as he stays in favor with TPTB at AI and I have no doubt that he will do that.
Kris? HE won, so therefore he gets his million dollar recording contract. AI is obligated for that. As long as he is with AI's label. and their management company, he will please his fans. IF he leaves the AI label, he will fade into oblivion because he is very average at best even though he's an attractive guy who is also a musician. That said, leave Taylor Hicks out of this conversation, its obvious you know NOTHING about him at all. Thanks and take two asprins or whatever and get on with what's important in life. This is very childish.
May 21st, 2009 9:00 AM
I was rooting for Kris and am glad HE WON! He deserved it. As far as the slam against Taylor Hicks. Do your research before posting untrue statements. Taylor Hicks plays guitar and harmonica very well and is very talented and successful. Success is not decided buy record sales alone.
May 21st, 2009 3:43 AM
Okay I know you are beyond distraught but why would American Idol fix the results after skewing the show towards Adam this whole entire season? Yes, the show is rigged, I feel like the producers wanted Adam to win, but even so Kris won. In my eyes that says something.